Thoughts on rationalism and the rationalist community from a skeptical perspective. The author rejects rationality in the sense that he believes it isn't a logically coherent concept, that the larger rationalism community is insufficiently critical of it's beliefs and that ELIEZER YUDKOWSKY IS NOT THE TRUE CALIF.

Harris and Klein

Double Charity Failure

I’m generally a defender of Harris and I believe Vox (under Klein) was uncharitable to Murray and Harris. Even in this interview I think he (probably unintentionally) suggests that we should take Murray’s arguments less seriously because of his political aims and implied motivations.

However, Klein is dead on the nose when he accuses Harris of not being willing to extend the same charity to others he wants extended to him. Disagreements are hard and understanding other people is very difficult and Harris (like all of us) does have trouble extending charity when it feels near something that’s a personal attack on him or understanding how other people’s errors may be motivated by similar emotional response to prior unfairness.

My sense is the Klein’s real position is a reasonable view that Murray is very wrong on the science in a way that is harmful and that Harris gets it wrong because of the issue above. However, I think Harris is absolutely right in criticizing Klein for speaking in ways he should know are likely to lead to extreme moral condemnation.

Klein should know that the way his articles (and the articles in Vox while he was editor) will be interpreted by the public as going far beyond a mild criticism that Harris makes the same kind of unremarkable mistake we all do talking about tough political issues. I don’t think Klein is being malicious here and Harris is uncharitable in assuming this but I think he should be faulted for not being much more clear to his readers that he isn’t suggesting Harris is beyond the realm of reasonable disagreement…merely that he thinks he is well-intentioned, but wrong, in a way that happens to be harmful.

In short Harris and Klein both fall short of the ideal of charity and they both could do a great deal more to communicate that well-intentioned good people can disagree intensely and even think another person’s views are harmful without having to think they are a bad person.

Waking Up Podcast #123 – Identity & Honesty | Sam Harris

In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Ezra Klein, Editor-at-Large for Vox Media, about racism, identity politics, intellectual honesty, and the controversy over his podcast with Charles Murray (Waking Up #73).

Team Rittenhouse

Or Why The Heros In Timeless Are Idiots

I just finished the first season of Timeless and I can’t help but feel the characters, and especially Lucy, are being irrational. (Some spoilers but only serious spoiler is in bullet 3 at the very end).

What they know about Rittenhouse is that every generation is initially totally horrified and appalled at the thought of it, wishes it was destroyed and eventually comes to see it as important and necessary once they have sufficient time to think and evaluate the evidence yet this gives them no pause as to whether they themselves might be in the wrong.

Indeed, the only defensible reason to be an ardent support of a democratic system is that the evidence of the past few centuries makes a super strong case that democracies are good places to live and produce far more utilities than dictatorships but if you found out that US had secretly been an oligarchy the whole time the evidence would actually point the other way and suggest skepticism of non-oligarchical rule (or well influence).

The show writers try hard to make sure we see Rittenhous as evil by making hereditary and talking about good strong bloodlines but once you’ve decided on a dictatorial system (or I guess technically a very small oligarchy) hereditary rule is probably not merely desirable but a necessity as otherwise the subsequent set of rulers will conflict with the children of the last. By having 50+ members they can smooth out the ups and downs of monarchical hereditary rule and even work expel the less able members creating positive selection pressure. As far as being from ‘good families’ well every government needs a mythos to legitimize themselves and inspire its members even if its small.

As far as the supposed bad acts that Rittenhouse is supposed to have committed in the show I have three comments.

  1. Those bad acts actually pale beside the genuine injustices and horrors the legitimate democratic government of our country committed at the same times. I mean WWI was basically a pointless slaughter of 400k US soldiers or more then there are thinks like Tuskeege, Japanese detentions etc.. etc..

    Even the recent ‘bad acts’ like killing Flynn’s family in the name of some kind of national necessity (or was it just impunity by some elements) doesn’t seem out of line compared to the (IMO often justified) use of drone strikes even given the occasional civilian casualties to protect our national interest. If that’s the price we have to pay to get the kind of America we have then it doesn’t seem particularly large.

    Especially when you compare that to the acts taken by the supposedly misguided but ultimately forgivable/noble Flynn in his campaign against them including attempts to assist nazis, commit massive terrorism with huge death tolls etc…

  2. Rittenhouse is (as I understand the extent of its power) is essentially analogous to the UK house of lords before the reforms which made almost all the positions non-hereditary and let commons pass laws without approval from lords after a 2 then 1 year wait. That always seemed like a pretty good system to me…focus and primary power reflects the people but you essentially (modulo a bit of self-interest) also have to convince a bunch of rando professional legislators who don’t have to please constituents.

  3. But even if Rittenhouse isn’t great at the moment at the end of the season Lucy has cleaned out all the old power structure and is basically being offered the keys to the kingdom. It’s totally irrational for her not just to accept and try and use that power to make the world a better place and turn Rittenhouse into a force for good.